Hillary about relationship with God
Barbara: Hi everyone. welcome to 40 minutes of faith. Today's guest is Hillary Baggett. We met in Germany, which is one of the 13 different homes that Hillary and her husband of 24 years have had during his service in the United States Marine Corps. She was raised Catholic and practices faith in the Protestant nondenominational traditions.
Hillary has been an occupational therapist with newborns to 95 year olds over the last two decades, as well as facilitating Bible studies with Protestant women of the chapel in Germany, Okinawa and Norfolk, Virginia, Hillary, and her family currently live in Colorado. And her dream is to help people to love themselves and each other and live in unity.
Welcome Hillary.
Hillary: Thank you for having me, Barbara.
Barbara: Would you lead us in an opening word of prayer as we prepare to talk about relationships between humans and God?
Hillary: I would love to. Father God, I just come before you first with gratitude for who you are for this opportunity to speak openly that we are able to speak our minds and speak our heart.
Just lead us in this conversation, Lord, that we will bring you glory and that we will help others feel that they are not alone, that they have a voice and that they can be heard. thank you for Barbara for her bravery, for, leading this podcast, 40 minutes of faith. Cause I know for me, Lord, that I need, a little bit more faith every day.
In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.
Barbara: thank you so much, Hillary. Today's Bible passage is from the book of Malachi, which is near the middle of your Bible. It's between the book of Daniel and the new Testament, in case you'd like to follow along or just listen. Malachi chapter three, verses one to four in the new revised standard version.
See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant in whom you delight. Indeed, he is coming says the Lord of hosts. But who can endure the day of his coming and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like Fuller's soap.
He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver and he will purify the descendants of Levi and refine them like gold and silver until they present offerings to the Lord in righteousness. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years.
Hillary when I was growing up, I learned to pray, but I don't remember thinking or feeling that I was in a relationship with God. I loved singing hymns that speak about God's blessing. And I knew that Jesus died and rose again for me yet. I didn't understand the words, “what a friend we have in Jesus” from the song. Later in college when I heard non Lutheran Christian praise music, I was moved to tears about how the relationship between God and human beings was sung about in a good way. Has your relationship with God changed over the years?
Hillary: Oh, absolutely. I feel like I grow deeper in my faith as I take the next step in faith from infant baptism to being received in the Episcopal church and later being baptized in the East China sea in Japan. And each time I thought, am I demonstrating that I had a lack of faith that I need to do it? But instead I realized I am making another public step towards God and my understanding of that relationship.
So it was kind of a recommitment and a refining kind of like you said, in the book of Malachi, how the Lord really refined my heart, my purpose, my direction with each of those faith steps.
Barbara: So looking at our Bible verses for today, Hillary, what might it look like if God sent a messenger to tell us to get ready? Are there people or situations on earth now, or in recent history, which serve as messengers?
Hillary: I have come in contact with people who have really encouraged me to think about that exact, message - what is someone trying to say to us and are we in the place to hear it? What does that messenger kind of look like? For me, it's looked like a dear friend sitting in the other chair or on the other end of the couch, as we talk and reflect on God's word. Sometimes it's in Bible study where a new truth is revealed to me; that the truth has always been there, but it's not been as evident to me as in that moment.
I think we sharpen and refine each other- kind of that iron sharpens iron, which I never really understood until maybe the last five or 10 years of what does that actually mean to be sharpened by someone who's matching me where I'm at, either in my faith or in my struggle.
Barbara: So a messenger could be a person. It could be something that you're reading or maybe hearing in a Bible study. You know, if you're reading a book, it might have been written for you sort of through the spirit, but it generally is written to the public. So there could be different ways of us understanding messages, or even as we mature.
Hillary: Absolutely. I agree. And even in the weekly sermons, we attend church weekly and due to COVID-19, we've been, attending online for almost 12 weeks. So I really do feel like when the pastor or person giving the message is really speaking within the will of God, that that message is written and spoken directly to change something within me or to point me back on the path or back on the flight path, if you will, to help me work towards that direction. That maybe we don't have as much time as we think we do. And even if we do have all the time in our lifetime or in the world, what are we going to choose to do with that? And what kind of legacy or memory will we leave for others?
Barbara: We don't know how long any of us has on earth. And also the scripture passage tells us that God is coming soon. Yet in our lifetime, does it seem like we've just been waiting our entire lives? And we don't think that God is going to be coming in the foreseeable future?
Hillary: Yes. I wonder that often when people say you've got to be ready, it could be any day.
And I think, well, gosh, people have been saying that for a few thousand years now. and so how do we keep our hearts and minds and spirits ready and willing to be ready at any time? Also knowing that only God knows the date and time, that it will all happen.
Barbara: It seems to me that if we live as if God were coming soon, then it's okay if it happens, or if it doesn't happen in our lifetimes, if we are doing our best to live a good life and serve our neighbor and many of the other things that are in the Bible, and some of which we can talk about today.
Hillary: sometimes I think God is such a patient God, because he's certainly been patient with me. And I like to think that he is such an optimist, that he wants to give us all a chance to get our lives right. And live with the right mindset and the right actions in loving each other. And I think he wants to give us time to all get to know him and that beauty of that personal relationship.
Barbara: when we think of a relationship with God, sometimes I just feel love and happy and safe and trust. And then sometimes I feel in my own human nature, uncertain, and sometimes I feel judged. And that might be more from a human point of view, but I'm wondering this passage clearly talks about being refined.
So I'm wondering Hillary, if you have any example of when do humans maybe feel refined by God? Has there been a season when we've learned that something in our life has to go and is that an easy or painful process?
Hillary: I have experienced a season, of refinement or pruning, depending on which analogy, since we're using refinement here.
The first time I really remember that refinement process was leaving North Carolina, where I was born and raised. I was already married and we were moving to Germany for the first time in 2007. The words I had spoken to my husband where, “I don't care what your job is, we're going,” because I thought finally, God was going to give me the- you can laugh now if you like- but God was going to give me finally, what I had been praying for was this adventure and living abroad and really seeing the world.
And what I learned was that I was actually leaving my family of origin. I was leaving my friends. I was leaving my country, that I was familiar with. I was leaving my career behind because it was not easy to work as an occupational therapist in Germany in 2007. And it was a serious time of grief and loss of, wanting to enjoy those hopes and dreams of travel and adventure and being immersed in the German experience, showing my children and husband, what living overseas could be like. And I was surprised at the challenges that I had and all the things I had to let go of, in that process. Kind of the best story though, was before I left for Germany, a friend had said, “Hey, you need to look into this Protestant Women of the Chapel” (PWOC).
That's a Bible study and that'll be a great way to plug in. And so the first day we got off the bus that took us from one small base to another, and I saw this woman and I said, “Hey, I'm looking for some information on PWOC.” And she said, “well, I am the president.” And she said, “Oh, we're in the middle of our Bible study, for the summer, but it's come when you can, come as you are, there's still three whole weeks to go.” And I thought, “Oh gosh, that seems a little strange to join something in the middle of it, but I'll try it- clearly there's a reason that I asked you about Protestant women of the Chapel.” And so I showed up to that Bible study and it was “Discerning the Voice of God.” I thought in that time, can we really hear God speak to us? Could we understand? Does he speak to me with a message for me that's relevant to where I'm at that day? And over the course of those three and four weeks of transitioning to Germany, the answer was yes.
That, it's not always easy in the refinement process. It's certainly not comfortable, but he was right there the whole time. So years later after we had left Germany and were given the opportunity to return, I thought, “Oh, this is the chance for me to go God's way. Instead of Hillary's way to Germany,” and our friends that lived with us the first time they said, “but remember that was a hard time for you.”
And I said, “yeah, I think God's giving me a do over to not think I need to do everything just right. I need to be everywhere. Join every organization, have the perfect European experience. I just need to kind of take each step in faith as we go. “
Barbara: Those are wonderful examples. Thank you. You said a few things that I just wanted to follow up on.
When you had mentioned the pruning of the branches I had that actually written down ahead of time. That's in the book of John chapter 15, verse two. And for people who are familiar with plants or farming, I had no idea about this stuff in my growing up years. Plants actually do better if they're pruned.
And the first time I saw that happen, I was heartbroken. I thought, you know, my parents were killing the hedges around our house. And then the next year I saw what they did was to help the hedges to thrive. And I just didn't understand that. So our pruning process in our lives can be uncomfortable or even painful, but the purpose is for improvement in the end. It's not to kill, it's to strengthen.
I'm so glad you mentioned prayer too, because even though this particular passage, doesn't talk a lot about prayer. That's a consistent theme. I believe in our relationship with God is that if I pray for something, I might get a yes right away. I might get a really long, no.
Or I might get a later and there's really benefits to all of that. That might not be apparent right away. Or your prayers get answered in a different way than what you asked for.
Hillary: I agree wholeheartedly. I thought that God only gave us yeses and nos, in my early faith years. And as I've grown in my faith, I realized that a lot of the wait or later, is more relevant and the blessings that come from it, the sweetness of that fruit, when the answer prayer comes, It's just amazing.
During my greatest periods of waiting, which I will confess it feel on the painful side, I have not historically been the most patient person, unless I'm working. But I'm not very patient with myself and I've learned to ask better questions in my prayer time with God of, okay, Lord, here's the desire of my heart.
you know, where would you like me to serve you? in fact, a time I was living in Japan and was praying about serving in Protestant women of the Chapel. And I prayed and the leadership that was preceding me said, we think you're being called a leadership. And I said, I agree. And, God entered a period of silence.
And I entered a period of waiting and I waited. And when the Lord gave me just one word after this several weeks of silence. And I was actually in devout prayer, which sometimes I falter and I'm not faithful at praying every day or all day. And the word he gave me was Foster, which was the name of a Marine base that was not where PWOC was happening or permitted. And so when I had to go to my sisters and say, well, I've prayed about this. And I think I've gotten the answer. I'm to start a Bible study on Camp Foster, the Marine base. And they said, but we're not allowed to have PWOC there. And I said, I know , that's the hardest part. I had to tell these women who I had grown in faith with over a year had grown to love and value our moments together.
And I had to tell them that God was calling me away to something different. It was so hard to do. I went into the chapel and just cried, just letting my heart out, but it was a cry of peace that I had discerned God's voice and his will for me and it, while it didn't look like what I thought it was going to, it turned out to be exactly what and where the Lord wanted me for that next year.*
Barbara: So our prayers can take kind of twisty roads. And also I'm wondering about seasons of rest Hillary when we're called to serve. I think it's really amazing that you're talking about this. Cause that was one of the questions I had in a few minutes, but now is a great time discerning service sometimes can be difficult.
How do you know when it's just okay to receive, that you don't have to be giving. All the time?
Hillary: Oh, great question. well I think it goes back for me to that quiet time relationship with God, because I have a bit of a Martha heart historically and practicing the Mary-ness is a challenge for me, but really necessary.
I used to kind of have that rubber band arm that I would reach up and volunteer for anything that I thought was worthy or had a value, or I could serve in. I could fill that hole. And slowly, the Lord revealed to me that by not jumping in. And filling that void, was actually providing an opportunity for someone else to fill in that space.
And there are times after service where, a period of service that I felt so depleted and maybe I'm not sure the right word, really. Well, maybe just a bit empty and then God really would call me back to, I think you just need to refresh, rest, be still and receive, and while I'm capable of teaching or leading or, Having lots of great ideas, sometimes he just wants us to step back and one allow someone else to fill that space or that position and to, to really be prepared and rested for what God has next for us. I've seen way too many people stay in a position because it's comfortable for them and they've done it. And I thought, Oh, God never gives me that opportunity to stay in my comfort zone.
Like usually, when I walk into a new Bible study, I look around and if I see a lot of people, I know, I usually think, Oh, I've stepped into the wrong room, which has actually happened before. And when I enter the room where I know no one, the teacher, any of the other ladies, like, Oh, this is where he wants me to grow and stretch beyond my comfort zone.
Barbara: So sometimes service to others is absolutely meaningful and valid and sometimes it can be in our comfort zone. We might be having fun or feel like we're needed. And the parable that you had referenced, Hillary, I just want to put that out. There is in Luke chapter 10, verses 38 to 42 that it's okay to sit and listen and learn and not always be working.
Even though we're certainly called to labor and we're also commanded to Sabbath. So I'm going to actually put that down as a future podcast episode because Sabbath and rest, I think gets a bad rap sometimes. And it's not always the same thing as self care.
Another thing that our passage in Malachi references is offerings. And for some people that can be a sore subject- in some churches, there's a lot of talk about money and in other faith groups, there's not too much talk about money. What Malakai was talking about was that sometimes people gave halfhearted offerings or there's other examples also in the Bible of people putting on sort of a show of their faith.
And I think that it could still happen in this day and age. I'm wondering if we might still, even in these days, make half-hearted offerings to God and not only financial, not just the money, but in our behavior. Part of what I'm wondering is, is what does God really want? And this does not mean a certain dollar amount or the oft quoted answer of tithing.
And let me also say up front here, I'm not asking anybody for money. That's not what this is about. This is just talking about this verse and Malachi is talking about offering. So I thought, Hey, let's talk about this. How can we talk about offerings to God without sounding like we're judging each other, but to encourage each other.
Hillary: I am a person of questions, so I ask a lot of them. And when I was going through, my pre reception into the Episcopal church, I had so many questions for the priest. I think I wore him out a little bit. I think he seemed retired after I left. Not because of me. No, not at all.
But the question of tithing and I'm a pretty concrete thinker. So if someone says, well, it says in the Bible, you should tithe that I'm like, is that really 10%? Do I have to give 10% before taxes after taxes and the conversation I had with Father Cook is his name. I still remember him to this day and that's been about 25 years ago.
He said, you know, tithing, God really cares about your heart and your attitude when you're giving. And by tithing, he said, let me be clear. God is not asking only for our money. sometimes he's asking for our time, sometimes he's asking for our talents, our skills, those gifts and abilities we have to share.
Instead of getting stuck on the amount of money that you're giving to your church or the organization of your choice, you know, think about what you have to give and what is your heart of that sacrifice. And is it something you can give joyfully or is it something that, is painful for you to give?
And in those reflections, I really still ponder and chew on that of what does that mean? Am I giving, am I doing enough? Which is one of my traps. If I'm being honest, am I doing enough? I've got these skills, these abilities, these gifts. I should be, doing more giving more.
It goes back to that personal relationship and prayer time with the Lord for me. I don't need to meet someone else's expectations of my time. I need to check with God and he's writing my story - it's written and he's with me every single day. And maybe he needs to change my path on a detour a little bit before I can get to the next part of what he has for me.
So it's that moment by moment, choice of, relationship with God. What am I offering to him? And the halfhearted resonated with me when you said that, because sometimes I think, am I giving a 10th of my heart? You know, and attitude to God in worship and in service. Am I giving half a heart or am I giving my whole heart or am I giving wholeheartedly?
I did have a, a prayer warrior friend of mine say, Hillary, it's so important instead of I have to do this, I get to do this. That fine distinguishing word of I get to give an offering to God. I get to volunteer with these women. I get to pray with someone or I get to talk to my friend.
Oh, that is the way into my heart and love language right there.
Barbara: So considering giving to be a privilege is one way to look at it. And I want to mention as often as I can, that we are not buying our way into heaven or into a relationship with God with either our money or our time, because our salvation is a free gift, which we then return in love, like you mentioned.
Hillary, another dream of yours that you shared with me is to write a book, sharing your journey of faith, to encourage the skeptics doubters and those young and faith that hope is real. How do you pray about your dreams and discerning God's will for your life?
Hillary: I am a kinesthetic learner, meaning I learn and remember by writing out. And so my muscles will then send that message up to my brain and remember what I've written. I'm a list maker. Sometimes I lose my list, but if I have a dream, I'll usually write it out. And I'm learning with those dreams that they can also be kind of goals.
Sometimes I put those kinds of concrete, “smart” goals with the timeline, are they measurable, timely, achievable? And sometimes I kind of put the Hilary timeline on it and what I'm learning is with that dream, one lifted up to God to have that conversation of Lord, this is what I'm thinking you're actually leading me to do.
What is the timeline that you have instead of what I think? Also, I need so much encouragement in my faith. People can look at what I do on the outside and think, Oh, you're set, you're golden, you've got it together. And I have struggled with my faith throughout my life.
I have been a skeptic. I have been a doubter, and I have struggled with hope and faith. I just see myself coming alongside people and walking with them, letting them have their questions. Since I'm a fan of questions myself and saying, hey, can we look at this together? Here's some experiences I've had.
Maybe this will draw you closer to a relationship with the Lord that's to encourage you that today is not the last day for most people, right? That this is not the end of me or my life, that there's more out there. And even after this life, this, human life that there's something more and we don't have to fully know and understand, but that's the beauty of faith and believing.
Barbara: I'm really grateful that you are willing to be vulnerable because I think, we want to put our best foot forward, put our best face forward and maybe put our best faith forward. So you see someone and you think, Oh, they look like they have their act together.
Or gee whiz, I don't know if they have their act together, which is totally unfair because we've all been on a faith journey in some of ours. Faith journeys are longer or shorter or virtually nonexistent. So I love that you want to give a word of encouragement because none of us are perfect and we can't ever be perfect.
We might strive to be better, but that you'd like to encourage people in their relationship with God.
Hillary: I was really kind of turned off of faith through many different parts of my life and left the church for a while, stopped going for many years. I needed someone to make space for me to ask my questions and not feel judged or condemned for my questions or my doubts or struggles.
And, faith is such a personal journey, but how do we encourage someone to show up to church. If they're just going to feel condemned or criticized in that or that it's not enough, it's not a faith race. I think people feel like it's a competition.
Barbara: I love that. It's not a faith race. Let's make tee shirts that say that.
Hillary: I don't think you're getting to heaven any faster than I am. I don't know. I think God really wants us to all show up.
Barbara: I just want to give a shout out to Planting Roots, which you volunteered with, Hillary, for two years. They support military members, military families, military women. Do you want to say anything about that ministry to encourage people to check it out?
Hillary: Oh, absolutely. You know, the women of Planting Roots have such a heart for military women and wives. it was such a blessing to serve with them for those two years. In fact, when I was asked to serve with them, I was meeting with the director Kori Yates and she and I would pray together every week and chat and I thought, gosh, she's amazing.
She's just mentoring me. This is awesome. And she said, well, Hillary, I'd like you to pray about the next prayer coordinator. And I said, absolutely. I love praying for people to hear their call and follow God's will for them. And a few weeks later, I said, Kori, the person who's going to fill this position has no idea that they're being called to this position.
And we were at a coffee shop in Stuttgart, Germany, on Patch Barracks. And then the lightning bolt hit me. And I was like, you were asking me to pray about me serving in that position.
Barbara: That's what I heard. When you said the question, that's what I heard that she was asking you. This is the greatest story ever. Well, besides the Bible.
Hillary: it was a funny thing in the look on her face. You really weren't getting it. Kori- I'm a very concrete thinker. I need it spelled out very specifically because it's, Hey, will you pray about this? Pray about the next person filling this. We had a good laugh in that. I got the chance, the opportunity to serve with them and I felt so unqualified. I can tell you, I felt I don't have the skills or abilities. What do I have to offer?
Barbara: That is amazing for you to say that, because I see you as eminently qualified. So maybe that speaks to do we see gifts in others, more clearly than gifts in ourselves.
Hillary: Absolutely. and, and it was a pattern on our team, on our staff. People said , I don't think I'm qualified to do this. You have the right heart then because God's our qualifier. If we felt ready, capable, and confident, then that's probably not the area he needs us. To grow us. There was such a sense of worth a great sense of sisterhood in serving with that team.
And we hosted, conferences in several states, several countries, and the opportunity to connect with other military women and wives, say, Hey, we've walked in your shoes or we're still walking in your shoes. So that is a great resource.
Barbara: Thank you so much.
So it sounds like we're still being refined. I wonder if we sometimes resist being refined, the stretching kind of, that you were alluding to. Doing new things, things that we feel uncomfortable with. And then sometimes also it seems to me like we feel judged by others. I don't mean that I feel judged by you, but in our society.
Hillary: I think the comparison trap is intense and real. And I think looking at someone who's so capable, in their position and you're like, well, of course they were born to do that position. And think, Oh, well, I couldn't be like her. I think what so many particularly women miss out on is that God's not calling you to be like her. God's calling you to use your gifts and skills that he's given you, equipped you with. To do what he's called you to do. And he doesn't need two Hillary's in the world.
One is more than enough, you know, but he needs a Barbara to do what he calls Barbara to do. It's such a trap. I still fall in at it sometimes like, Oh, I wish I could, pray like this person or be a mom like this person, or be a wife like this person, or be a therapist like this person.
And it's like, well, golly, that's like being four different people. I think God's given me enough. It just turned to be me. and he can grow me in his way. And in his timing.
Barbara: Yes. My last question for you, Hillary is how do we delight in drawing near to God? I don't really think of delight and drawing near to God.
That's not the first thought that comes to my mind, but one of my classmates in school asked that question and I thought, I really want to spend some time with this question.
Hillary: I can be in prayer time or Bible study and in worship and just feel this peace throughout my whole being and just feel like I am connecting with the God of the universe, the creator. And then I step out of that space or I leave the altar area or leave the church or, leave my prayer time.
And then, then the reality hits me. Oh, now how do I find that delight in the Lord? Wow. Dealing with, you know, a teenager that doesn't want to take out the trash or a dog that's barking or, the grace of words to a husband, or encouragement, you know, am I delighting in the Lord and being my human self?
Barbara: Oh, that's wonderful.
Hillary: That's a challenge for me personally.
Barbara: for sure. So ideally. Private time with scripture, maybe with music, maybe in a place of worship that sort of designated time might come easier than when we've got the hubbub of chores and real life.
Hillary: Yeah. And I think it's kind of like the daily recharge at your faith battery, right?
Like you've got to plug in, plug into the Lord, the Holy spirit, you know, regularly. And for some of us it's daily for some of it's throughout the day. I know for me, once a week, attending a church service is not enough cause I'm human and I forget.
One of the chaplain's wives years ago said, Oh, I just shoot up a prayer arrow, Hillary, sometimes I don't have time for a really long drawn out conversation with the Lord. So I'll just shoot one up there.
And someone else said, I just have the conversation with the Lord throughout every single day while I'm working on the car while I'm helping customers , it's just that constant back and forth of how am I doing Lord and my pleasing you am I bringing you glory? is this what you'd like to do?
Barbara: And I believe that people can also praise and worship in their own way, either through art or music or just walking down the street when you're. Picking up the mail or whatever. It could look different ways for different people.
Hillary: Yes. In song, and I do not have a gifted voice for song. My children will attest to that. But I still like to sing. God must have some special kinds of earphones that translate the tone of my voice, which is not gifted in song to sound pleasing to his ear when I do. So it's more of the intention. I think God appreciates that.
Barbara: God has special earphones. Let's make another t-shirt with that on it.
Is there anything I haven't asked you, Hillary, that you have on your heart about either the passage for Malachi or anything we've talked about or anything that we haven't talked about?
Hillary: I think we just have to never give up on there being hoped and reaching out for the person that has maybe walked that path before us and can help guide us along. I'm a tangible person. Sometimes when I struggle in my faith, it's because I need to hear a human voice.
I need to feel a human hand in prayer. I need to hear those actual prayers. So instead of just reading the Bible, sometimes I just have to say it out loud for it to have a different impact on my mind.
Barbara: that makes me think that as much as we want people to reach out to us and to support us into encourage us, we can also be that to other people. We don't always have to be everything to everybody, but maybe even without knowing it, we can be supporting and encouraging other people or reaching out and lifting people up either, both physically or in prayer, just the way that we would like that as well.
Hillary: That is so true. And I fall into that, especially with COVID. I think, Oh gosh, I really miss seeing my friends and doing things. I thought, well, we still have email and Marco polo and Facebook messenger and phone. The telephone still works. And all of these great ways to connect with our friends and family to say, Hey, how can I pray for you this week? that's a big blessing that gets me out of my own head. So that's why I really love to pray with and for other people.
Barbara: Thank you so much, Hillary.
Hillary: thank you so much for the opportunity to share my reflections and to chat with you, my friend.
*Bonus information: due to budget and child supervision matters, PWOC had not offered programming on Camp Foster. Hillary was told that she could offer a Bible Study “if we were willing to use what they had in the cabinet. When the chaplain asked what book I wanted us to study, I replied, “Discerning the Voice of God” by Priscilla Shirer. You can imagine the look on the Chaplain’s face when he opened the book closet and saw there were 15 copies of “Discerning the Voice of God!” Volunteers were found who provided child care during Bible studies for 12 months in the new location.
Bible verses:
Malakai 3:1-4
John 15:2
Luke 10:38-42
Resources:
Bible study:
“Discerning the Voice of God” by Priscilla Shirer
Hillary has blessed many people with her gift of prayer.